tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post1432891568254826151..comments2023-10-19T09:36:41.506-05:00Comments on A Mormon Enigma: My spiritual stateAbelard Enigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-54862542172221153772010-04-04T17:29:55.865-05:002010-04-04T17:29:55.865-05:00Ugh...I feel sorry for you, Abe, because I'm ...Ugh...I feel sorry for you, Abe, because I'm going through many of these same emotions -- and it sucks. Hang in there, Brother Enigma :)Frank Lee Scarlethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11886437307154426730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-80487659884758926422010-04-01T21:15:50.923-05:002010-04-01T21:15:50.923-05:00I guess my take on this would be...
Why do you ha...I guess my take on this would be...<br /><br />Why do you have to be on the same track as the majority of Mormons -- especially on an issue as contentious as gay marriage -- in order to love them?<br /><br />Why aren't you entitled to feel and think what you feel and think, and to be what you are? Isn't building Zion all about different people becoming one?<br /><br />If others don'tJohn Gustav-Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-29144889644385877512010-03-31T17:51:11.436-05:002010-03-31T17:51:11.436-05:00Abe, part of me wants to talk with you at length a...Abe, part of me wants to talk with you at length about this, because some of your concerns seem more based in the local religious climate (creation, for example) than others.<br /><br />And I'm not diminishing your concerns - I think you're right to have them, but I'd love to visit with you, see if my perspective on things help.<br /><br />I think we all struggle with feelings of Kengo Biddleshttp://str8ontilmorning.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-60783291704142291632010-03-31T14:27:31.967-05:002010-03-31T14:27:31.967-05:00Abe,
I'm not a particularly religious person ...Abe,<br /><br />I'm not a particularly religious person so keep that in mind.<br /><br />After coming out, I experienced several years of questioning my beliefs and experimenting with my beliefs,<br /><br />Afterwards, I found I still pretty much held the same beliefs I always had except I had expanded my beliefs to include gay people.<br /><br />The litmus test became whether I was treatingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-23988335757935087402010-03-31T09:23:27.529-05:002010-03-31T09:23:27.529-05:00Abe, know that I'm sitting there in Sacrament ...Abe, know that I'm sitting there in Sacrament & Priesthood meetings with you, sometimes feeling like I'm on the outside looking in. I too may not endure with the homophobic rhetoric or hardline actions of church leaders, especially if impacts me in unacceptable ways. Leaving is always an option. <br /><br />But I seriously doubt I'll be out of the church in two years. Here'GeckoManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04846438788253129899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-1709957417463784612010-03-30T16:29:37.204-05:002010-03-30T16:29:37.204-05:00Abe, hang in there.
Go back to reading your scr...Abe, hang in there. <br /><br />Go back to reading your scriptures and individual prayers. I think it will help.<br /><br />Because lets face it...if you leave the Mormon church you'd just be a Ho, not a MoHo ;)<br /><br />-That GuyThat Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-20800362313430220312010-03-29T09:13:41.166-05:002010-03-29T09:13:41.166-05:00I went to a stake priesthood leadership meeting ye...I went to a stake priesthood leadership meeting yesterday morning. The whole time I sat there wondering why I was there, that I didn't fit, that what was being said was so generic and of no value, and I left unfed and feeling quite apathetic. I just didn't care!<br /><br />I went to the block meetings later and a couple of brothers overwhelmed me with hugs and real concern for me (Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-41507088249097260682010-03-29T00:47:55.309-05:002010-03-29T00:47:55.309-05:00"I want to commune with brothers and sisters ...<i>"I want to commune with brothers and sisters whom I don't have to worry about making unkind and untrue homophobic comments and who don't consider my very existence to be a threat to their families and way of life."</i><br /><br />I think a moho ward is what it would take to get me to come back at this point. Pretty unlikely.El Geniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02801064758712821345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-56539273399925037212010-03-28T20:05:53.125-05:002010-03-28T20:05:53.125-05:00I have had these same exact thoughts as you have h...I have had these same exact thoughts as you have had. I think the thing that I agree with most, is that it is easiest to just keep "playing along." Certainly I did not have as much invested in that religion as you do (no wife and kids), but the easiest thing for me was to keep living the lie. The hardest thing and the most rewarding thing I have ever done is leave Mormonism.<br /><br />D-Trainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17473393837732916277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-59302440401599801462010-03-28T18:20:09.981-05:002010-03-28T18:20:09.981-05:00I lurk regularly, hopefully in no dark way. I'...I lurk regularly, hopefully in no dark way. I'm mostly curious to see the phenomenon of this issue in your life develop and play out on a personal level, but also as I see it in the wider context of Mormonism. <br /><br />I wondered and worried at your recent lapse in making more regular entries. I couldn't help speculating about it. Although I am not directly impacted by the Church'wreddyornothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10646343928995847830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-6029753480884077952010-03-28T18:19:04.183-05:002010-03-28T18:19:04.183-05:00I agree with Ned on this one. He hit it eactly rig...I agree with Ned on this one. He hit it eactly right on. And, I agree with anonymous, too, that reading scriptures and praying every day helps. They are the two things that HELP me make it through each day.<br /><br />And, I agree with Beck's comment from a post or so ago, to keep on trying to become a math teacher. We need good male math teachers and you would be GREAt! You could share your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-70603743521011968252010-03-28T16:45:48.241-05:002010-03-28T16:45:48.241-05:00((((((HUGS))))))You put into words exactly the str...((((((HUGS))))))You put into words exactly the struggle that I think many of us face. I think that much of what you said applies to ANY person who has struggled with and questioned the church. <br /><br />The challenge seem to be deciding whether or not the good that you can see inside of the church outweighs the cognitive dissonance that you feel.Kileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14598910475787952773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-4190673936363762102010-03-28T16:00:07.496-05:002010-03-28T16:00:07.496-05:00I think that you may not feel so alone if you woul...I think that you may not feel so alone if you would take out time every day for yourself to pray, and read the scriptures, and do it consistently. I notice a difference in my life when I am doing that vs not doing it. It works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-33430730877323958672010-03-28T13:38:38.483-05:002010-03-28T13:38:38.483-05:00I need to know you understand the celestial reprec...I need to know you understand the celestial reprecussions of what you are saying:<br /><br />You are saying that you, Abe, may soon recieve a kiss...<br /><br />...<i>and <b>like</b> it!</i>playasinmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05998841658611428960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-72206302411991762982010-03-28T13:23:37.490-05:002010-03-28T13:23:37.490-05:00Hugs to you Abe!Hugs to you Abe!Saint Jobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16187537284190617835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-10362622367126669032010-03-28T12:04:14.232-05:002010-03-28T12:04:14.232-05:00So here's a thought to try on, Abe:
While you...So here's a thought to try on, Abe:<br /><br />While you are sitting in your meeting feeling alone, think of the others who in this worldwide Moho community are also sitting in their meetings, or have been or will be on any given Sunday. <br /><br />If only one half of one percent of the church's 13,508,509 members of record are in our shoes, that's still a staggering 542,545 others Nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938186985738546670noreply@blogger.com