tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post4310650596662897247..comments2023-10-19T09:36:41.506-05:00Comments on A Mormon Enigma: Disorderly gays in the newsAbelard Enigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-7869722516693046962009-07-26T02:50:30.838-05:002009-07-26T02:50:30.838-05:00"Would the gay community in San Diego be orga..."Would the gay community in San Diego be organizing a kiss-in at the San Diego temple to protest something that happened in Salt Lake City? Not likely!"<br /><br />The problem is that during the prop 8 campaign and its aftermath, the church lost any and all credibility it had with regards to gay issues. Unless you had the guys brandishing guns on video, this was destined for protests.El Geniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02801064758712821345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-6699096899972582672009-07-26T01:12:25.849-05:002009-07-26T01:12:25.849-05:00The history of events leading to the takeover by t...The history of events leading to the takeover by the Church can be found <a href="http://www.acluutah.org/mainstreetplaza.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />I have opinions about this, but this is a family blog (and I'm just a guest). And, yes, indeed one of the scenarios floated by opponents to the sale of the easement was exactly what happened two weeks ago. The Church basically said MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-83449564631031971472009-07-25T21:59:39.535-05:002009-07-25T21:59:39.535-05:00MoHoHawaii,
Thanks for the detail.
There was a...MoHoHawaii,<br /><br />Thanks for the detail. <br /><br />There was a reference in the article to a land swap.<br /><br />I hope you don't mind a few questions.<br /><br />Turns out it use to be public property! How recent was the swap? Did the LDS Church agree to public access in order to make the swap more politcally palatable? <br /><br />What I don't understand is why the LDS Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00230261242977514599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-77356766287403847072009-07-25T21:31:19.180-05:002009-07-25T21:31:19.180-05:00I'm referring to the owners of Main Street Pla...I'm referring to the owners of Main Street Plaza, who also have veto power over anything local and state government does in Utah. (I used to live there; it's the truth. <i>Nothing</i> happens without approval from the Church.)<br /><br />I should clarify that I also am not disputing the rights of the LDS Church to the property in question. Under the current arrangement with the city, theyMoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-15795555075952476492009-07-25T20:48:48.474-05:002009-07-25T20:48:48.474-05:00MoHoHawaii - are you referring to LDS church leade...MoHoHawaii - are you referring to LDS church leaders, or a good ol boys network in SLC politics?<br /><br />Philip - I'm not disputing the rights of the LDS church, I'm merely addressing the PR aspect of these cases. In Fort Worth, the officers involved say they were doing a routine bar check (they had previously visited several other, non-gay, bars that evening) - something they have Abelard Enigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-73700719288758240642009-07-25T20:44:44.294-05:002009-07-25T20:44:44.294-05:00Philip,
By all accounts the officers raiding the ...Philip,<br /><br />By all accounts the officers raiding the Rainbow Lounge were loaded for bear. They came in with an aggressive attitude and, significantly, the showed up with a <i>paddy wagon</i>(!). They violated a number of policies (including the fact that they wore uniforms-- these inspections are supposed to be done in plain clothes) and acted aggressively. I'm willing to wait for the MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-46407399852645911572009-07-25T20:26:59.460-05:002009-07-25T20:26:59.460-05:00"Very careful to make a snap judgment"? ..."Very careful to make a snap judgment"? Think you might have dropped a word there, Abe.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-40469446611027823492009-07-25T18:49:40.213-05:002009-07-25T18:49:40.213-05:00I don't think I have the right words for what ...I don't think I have the right words for what I am trying to say...<br /><br />Another contrast is the role private property played in both incidents.<br /><br />In Texas the cops were in a gay establishment.<br /><br />In Utah the gay men were in a plaza open to the public but owned by the LDS Church.<br /><br />Both cops and the LDS Church have an anti-gay reputation but, while the onus Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00230261242977514599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-84729039784141636442009-07-25T11:25:03.274-05:002009-07-25T11:25:03.274-05:00In Texas the people who run things are elected off...<b>In Texas</b> the people who run things are elected officials. Gay people and others who support basic fairness for all get to vote.<br /><br /><b>In Utah</b> the people who run things come from a handful of old-line families known as "Mormon royalty." They are appointed for life and are accountable to no one.MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.com