tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post6565571489211272952..comments2023-10-19T09:36:41.506-05:00Comments on A Mormon Enigma: ArroganceAbelard Enigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-39795085359199669412008-11-15T17:33:00.000-06:002008-11-15T17:33:00.000-06:00About a week or so ago, my SIL discovered that my ...About a week or so ago, my SIL discovered that my husband and I voted no on Prop 8. She tried her best to choke her shock down, but not until she asked "Even though the Prophet said...?"<BR/><BR/>I was on the phone with her the other day and she finally let loose. Though I can write about my opposition with no problem, it's quite another thing to have someone bust out the "testimony" question to Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-7244753959682914772008-11-14T08:22:00.000-06:002008-11-14T08:22:00.000-06:00That wasn't my blog, was it Abelard?No, it wasn't ...<I>That wasn't my blog, was it Abelard?</I><BR/><BR/>No, it wasn't your blog - but it was a blog I found via your blog :)Abelard Enigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-45111113770103275032008-11-13T23:44:00.000-06:002008-11-13T23:44:00.000-06:00That wasn't my blog, was it Abelard?I appreciated ...That wasn't my blog, was it Abelard?<BR/><BR/>I appreciated your comment the other day. It makes me smile to know you read it.Ezrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18249055675517672157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-63052635552832587702008-11-13T15:02:00.000-06:002008-11-13T15:02:00.000-06:00The Mormon church, both the actual organization an...The Mormon church, both the actual organization and the culture, is so homophobic that it doesn't matter if you oppose Proposition 8 as a matter of policy or as a matter of doctrine. You are condemned an apostate all the same. Which is sad for a church inspired by a young boy questioning. Apparently you can ask questions as long as they are on the approved list from Salt Lake.<BR/><BR/>Reality isGrant Hawshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285466218376293776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-73886662708136412302008-11-13T13:31:00.000-06:002008-11-13T13:31:00.000-06:00I wish more members wouldn't turn off their brains...I wish more members wouldn't turn off their brains when the brethren spoke.<BR/><BR/>I remember while growing up I got a lot of flack from some members who didn't like me practicing my trumpet in the chapel during the week. NOT on Sunday's mind you - during the week. The reason, I was told, was because my instrument was too loud and blaring for the chapel, even though there wasn't anyone in theChesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14842556640318143930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-54630372452000322822008-11-13T12:02:00.000-06:002008-11-13T12:02:00.000-06:00Ha. This post follows exactly the conversation I ...Ha. This post follows exactly the conversation I had with my wife last night. Except the part of the pancakes, I guess. Were you eavesdropping!??cjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07498877442080688617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-72088903318808753812008-11-12T23:52:00.000-06:002008-11-12T23:52:00.000-06:00Now making pancakes is certainly different than tw...<I>Now making pancakes is certainly different than two guys engaging in gay sex.</I><BR/><BR/>I am never going to be able to cook pancakes again without giggling.Max Powerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14955796304197971564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-31323612374810136192008-11-12T21:34:00.000-06:002008-11-12T21:34:00.000-06:00I think we have seen examples of doctrine changing...<I>I think we have seen examples of doctrine changing, i.e. blacks and the priesthood, polygamy</I><BR/><BR/>That begs the question of doctrine verses policy. Plus, I submit that polygamy is still part of our doctrine. It is our policy to only have one wife in this life; but, we seal multiple women to a single husband all the time in the temple.<BR/><BR/>But, I get your point.<BR/><BR/><I>I Abelard Enigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-69109223259630962892008-11-12T20:20:00.000-06:002008-11-12T20:20:00.000-06:00I always thought those passages were strange consi...I always thought those passages were strange considering these:<BR/><BR/>Mark 9:40<BR/><BR/>"For he that is not against us is on our part."<BR/><BR/>Luke 9:50<BR/><BR/>"he that is not against us is for us."<BR/><BR/>Abe:<BR/><BR/>"Likewise, as a gay man in a committed monogamous mixed orientation marriage, I can support the rights of other gay men..."<BR/><BR/>I hope we can similarly be Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-80352058361199564912008-11-12T19:44:00.000-06:002008-11-12T19:44:00.000-06:00I like this post--but I think you sidestep a major...I like this post--but I think you sidestep a major issue.<BR/><BR/><I>It reeks of a "if you're not for us then you're against us" attitude - which itself is a twisted variation of the words of Jesus Christ"</I><BR/><BR/>Matthew 12:30: <BR/><BR/>"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad."<BR/><BR/>Luke 11:23<BR/><BR/>"He that is not with me is Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156523925956642311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-80932715925586817502008-11-12T19:17:00.000-06:002008-11-12T19:17:00.000-06:00Abe, I may be wrong, and forgive me if I am, but I...Abe, I may be wrong, and forgive me if I am, but I don't believe the following comment to be true: <BR/><BR/> "I must acknowledge that doctrine is unchanging - it is the same yesterday, today, and forever." <BR/><BR/>I think we have seen examples of doctrine changing, i.e. blacks and the priesthood, polygamy. I don't mean to diminish your point, because I agree with it. I think what is Bravonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02762204502534599107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-58826690489693422132008-11-12T18:52:00.000-06:002008-11-12T18:52:00.000-06:00I think you're an apostate and the sooner you come...I think you're an apostate and the sooner you comes to terms with that term describing who you are, the better off we all will be. :)<BR/><BR/>I told myself I wasn't going to check any blogs and here I am responding. Oh well, I'm addicted... The all or nothing concept bothers me as well. When did the Brethren say that if you aren't with us on this issue, then turn in your temple recommend and Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-19663811340075273462008-11-12T15:00:00.000-06:002008-11-12T15:00:00.000-06:00Now making pancakes is certainly different than tw...<I>Now making pancakes is certainly different than two guys engaging in gay sex.</I><BR/><BR/>:-) <BR/><BR/>(Insert maple syrup joke here.)MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.com