tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post6690500099742661085..comments2023-10-19T09:36:41.506-05:00Comments on A Mormon Enigma: Me thinks the LDS church doesn't "get it"Abelard Enigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-88692448168976679832009-02-03T21:44:00.000-06:002009-02-03T21:44:00.000-06:00Beck - you're right it really does feel corporate-...Beck - you're right it really does feel corporate-like, with a spokesman explaing what the Church's position is. Which is the problem with anyone that is both gay and Mormon. You get the harsh doctrine, telling you why homosexuality is a sin, but you don't get any "love the sinner, not the sin", whether the person decides to have a gay relationship or not. Instead you get doubletalk and by some Grant Hawshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285466218376293776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-84693937342536673612009-02-03T18:27:00.000-06:002009-02-03T18:27:00.000-06:00You're asking your leaders to be sympathetic, comp...You're asking your leaders to be sympathetic, compassionate, charitable, willing to listen, understanding etc. while still being firm in their position. In other words, less corporate-like, less business-like and more Christ-like?<BR/><BR/>Yeah. Me too. That's why the double talk and backpeddling and wanting things both ways are so disturbing and regrettable. <BR/><BR/>I could almost accept Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-3097065189237046362009-02-03T17:34:00.000-06:002009-02-03T17:34:00.000-06:00I don't agree the LDS church has to change its pol...I don't agree the LDS church has to change its policy and/or doctrine in order to "get it".<BR/><BR/>I can express sympathy and understanding if something I did hurt someone else. I can be sorry for hurting them without being sorry for doing the thing I did.<BR/><BR/>For example, like many others, we have cut back dramatically on our expenditures. I am sympathetic for the stores that are havingAbelard Enigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-69461777788254821262009-02-03T16:48:00.000-06:002009-02-03T16:48:00.000-06:00HERE HEREHERE HEREJenzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03998421726801993400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-26547973331316209602009-02-03T16:04:00.000-06:002009-02-03T16:04:00.000-06:00Well the Mormon church is with the majority of Cal...Well the Mormon church is with the majority of Californians (and Americans) who "don't get it." So just because you get it, don't imagine that you are anything but in the minority with your opinions (and not just in the church) <BR/><BR/>But I agree with Beck that 1) will probably happen someday. That means the church and others will be in the minority and I doubt they will not show their Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06930736149707178118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-72466885508629756572009-02-03T15:13:00.000-06:002009-02-03T15:13:00.000-06:00Sadly, even if the Church ever "gets it", it won't...Sadly, even if the Church ever "gets it", it won't be a quick reversal like the blacks and the priesthood. Sure that had some back-pedaling and "new revelation" mumbo jumbo...but this issue has literally hit every member in some way and just a change in policy won't fix the problem. The whole gay thing has been made into an eternal no-no, rather than a "not at this time" issue. <BR/><BR/>But whatGrant Hawshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285466218376293776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-34865876298291773372009-02-03T14:35:00.000-06:002009-02-03T14:35:00.000-06:00They won't "get it" until one of two things happen...They won't "get it" until one of two things happens:<BR/><BR/>1) The world changes and public pressure increases to accept gay marriage as totally and completely normal and anything to prevent such unions is bigotry and discrimination, such that they cave to the public pressures because it hurts the "public image" and the "mission of the church" to go forward into the world and affects the Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06159223254071653666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-13869662710523162882009-02-03T14:31:00.000-06:002009-02-03T14:31:00.000-06:00I have no doubt that the Church institutionally an...I have no doubt that the Church institutionally and many members truly were astonished at the width and depth of the backlash against it and them after Prop 8's passage.<BR/><BR/>Anybody who grows up in an active Mormon family knows that Church membership and activity saturates everything in life. It's in the forefront of your mind constantly, relentlessly. When you spend your whole life in a Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-27657791255373145422009-02-03T14:28:00.000-06:002009-02-03T14:28:00.000-06:00Dang it - I knew that. Thank you for pointing out ...Dang it - I knew that. Thank you for pointing out my error. I've corrected the blog post.Abelard Enigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166049686152203530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-89749414961372397092009-02-03T14:19:00.000-06:002009-02-03T14:19:00.000-06:00Just a quick correction to your post. The church ...Just a quick correction to your post. The church worked to pass the initiative - Prop 8, not defeat it. The initiative was a consititutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and woman in the State of California, hence, the Church wanted it to pass.Rich Winsorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08649317901985409012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4956057989227103850.post-49024730745949924422009-02-03T12:47:00.000-06:002009-02-03T12:47:00.000-06:00You mean people will get upset if you forcibly div...You mean people will get upset if you forcibly divorce them? Imagine that.Ezrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18249055675517672157noreply@blogger.com